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	<title>Comments on: John Henry Belter Lion &amp; Serpent Decoration</title>
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		<title>By: Gregory Hubbard</title>
		<link>http://rarevictorian.com/2009/03/john-henry-belter-lions-serpent-decoration.html/comment-page-1#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Hubbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.  Yes, be lovely to have the option to order great furniture back in time...  The fantasies are endless.  I’d order a complete house lot from Tiffany &amp; Co.  

Better still, can you imagine stepping back in time to prevent the federal funding of local Urban Renewal projects that destroyed something on the order of 100,000 historic buildings in America&#039;s cities and towns from the 1930s to the 1970s.  The &#039;60s and early 70s were the most destructive.  San Francisco took down about 15,000 wooden Victorians.  

My father and I pulled up in front of one San Francisco home where they&#039;d used a chain saw to cut out the side of the house to pull out the grand stairs - which they burned to salvage the sterling silver stringing inlay.  We’ll never know who created it.  I’ve never seen photographs of the interiors of that house…  And the wreckers were smashing the home&#039;s signed Tiffany light fixtures on the front lawn.  Dad bought several just to save them.  Picture all those great lost houses with fitted cabinet maker&#039;s interiors...

HOWEVER, it would be just as nice for everyone to stop stripping furniture of its original upholstery foundations.  This poor sofa has been mutilated!  This is not anything close to the state the maker intended!  Sharply angled and carefully shaped Victorian era foundations can be restored more cheaply than they can be replaced, and they&#039;re very different from poofy, shapeless modern stuff - it always looks like someone has attached a bicycle pump to the chair, or perhaps it&#039;s been made seaworthy like some crazed variation on a &#039;Mae West&#039; life preserver.  Please, stop stripping the furniture of it&#039;s original upholstery foundations!  It’s no better than dip-stripping it’s frame.  Or spray-painting it chartreuse.  

Gregory Hubbard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  Yes, be lovely to have the option to order great furniture back in time&#8230;  The fantasies are endless.  I’d order a complete house lot from Tiffany &amp; Co.  </p>
<p>Better still, can you imagine stepping back in time to prevent the federal funding of local Urban Renewal projects that destroyed something on the order of 100,000 historic buildings in America&#8217;s cities and towns from the 1930s to the 1970s.  The &#8217;60s and early 70s were the most destructive.  San Francisco took down about 15,000 wooden Victorians.  </p>
<p>My father and I pulled up in front of one San Francisco home where they&#8217;d used a chain saw to cut out the side of the house to pull out the grand stairs &#8211; which they burned to salvage the sterling silver stringing inlay.  We’ll never know who created it.  I’ve never seen photographs of the interiors of that house…  And the wreckers were smashing the home&#8217;s signed Tiffany light fixtures on the front lawn.  Dad bought several just to save them.  Picture all those great lost houses with fitted cabinet maker&#8217;s interiors&#8230;</p>
<p>HOWEVER, it would be just as nice for everyone to stop stripping furniture of its original upholstery foundations.  This poor sofa has been mutilated!  This is not anything close to the state the maker intended!  Sharply angled and carefully shaped Victorian era foundations can be restored more cheaply than they can be replaced, and they&#8217;re very different from poofy, shapeless modern stuff &#8211; it always looks like someone has attached a bicycle pump to the chair, or perhaps it&#8217;s been made seaworthy like some crazed variation on a &#8216;Mae West&#8217; life preserver.  Please, stop stripping the furniture of it&#8217;s original upholstery foundations!  It’s no better than dip-stripping it’s frame.  Or spray-painting it chartreuse.  </p>
<p>Gregory Hubbard</p>
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		<title>By: james conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>james conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, oh yeah, that would work however, i find that the hunt is a very enjoyable part of collecting, although sometimes frustrating. Like that recent box deal of mine, i just KNEW i had a winner until a known authority crushed me with 2 or 3 &quot;reservations&quot; in the same email. OH WELL, nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, oh yeah, that would work however, i find that the hunt is a very enjoyable part of collecting, although sometimes frustrating. Like that recent box deal of mine, i just KNEW i had a winner until a known authority crushed me with 2 or 3 &#8220;reservations&#8221; in the same email. OH WELL, nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxt</p>
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		<title>By: RareVictorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>RareVictorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, yeah, don&#039;t you wish we could order what we wanted from these long-gone makers - new.  I&#039;d be happy to pay $350 for a pair of &lt;a href=&quot;http://rarevictorian.com/2008/08/original-1855-john-henry-belter-furniture-order-receipt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arabasket (ie. Fountain Elms)&lt;/a&gt; sofas from Belter.

Good analogy, Zeke.  Horner meets Belter.  I guess that&#039;s why I like it so much - two of my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, yeah, don&#8217;t you wish we could order what we wanted from these long-gone makers &#8211; new.  I&#8217;d be happy to pay $350 for a pair of <a href="http://rarevictorian.com/2008/08/original-1855-john-henry-belter-furniture-order-receipt.html" rel="nofollow">Arabasket (ie. Fountain Elms)</a> sofas from Belter.</p>
<p>Good analogy, Zeke.  Horner meets Belter.  I guess that&#8217;s why I like it so much &#8211; two of my favorites.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing sofa and in many ways more visually compelling than the standard Belter designs. Lise had a set of Belter laminated oak dining chairs that I got to see in person and inspect. They were much more plain and generic than this sofa and more interesting than anything because of the unusual choice of wood. My biggest impression was that oak did not lend itself near as much as finer grained rosewood to Belters lamination process, but the chairs were cool to say the least. This sofa looks to me like Belter meets Horner, on friendly terms of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing sofa and in many ways more visually compelling than the standard Belter designs. Lise had a set of Belter laminated oak dining chairs that I got to see in person and inspect. They were much more plain and generic than this sofa and more interesting than anything because of the unusual choice of wood. My biggest impression was that oak did not lend itself near as much as finer grained rosewood to Belters lamination process, but the chairs were cool to say the least. This sofa looks to me like Belter meets Horner, on friendly terms of course!</p>
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		<title>By: james conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>james conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO, WAIT! I&#039;ll have one one these handy dandy lil boxes please.

http://www.eldreds.com/sales/detail.php?itemID=134267</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO, WAIT! I&#8217;ll have one one these handy dandy lil boxes please.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eldreds.com/sales/detail.php?itemID=134267" rel="nofollow">http://www.eldreds.com/sales/detail.php?itemID=134267</a></p>
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		<title>By: james conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>james conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @ I’d like to order one of these in Rosewood, please.

Hey, while we are ordering, i&#039;ll take an American 17th century side hung chest of drawers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ I’d like to order one of these in Rosewood, please.</p>
<p>Hey, while we are ordering, i&#8217;ll take an American 17th century side hung chest of drawers.</p>
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