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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Shannon Phila&#8221; Locks = Daniel Pabst?</title>
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		<title>By: John Werry</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Werry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did find a little on C. A. Stock &amp; Co.   They were located at 118 Wooster and were known as &quot;Hardware Dealers&quot;.  It seem that they were preceded at least in the 1870s by Stock &amp; Haverman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did find a little on C. A. Stock &#038; Co.   They were located at 118 Wooster and were known as &#8220;Hardware Dealers&#8221;.  It seem that they were preceded at least in the 1870s by Stock &#038; Haverman.</p>
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		<title>By: John Werry</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Werry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mario, somehow I missed your reply until now.  Would love to see pictures of your piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario, somehow I missed your reply until now.  Would love to see pictures of your piece.</p>
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		<title>By: John Werry</title>
		<link>http://rarevictorian.com/2009/02/shannon-phila-locks-daniel-pabst.html/comment-page-1#comment-3534</link>
		<dc:creator>John Werry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t find anything but I&#039;d love to see pictures of the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t find anything but I&#8217;d love to see pictures of the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Errol Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Errol Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, I ran across your entry while looking for some info on C. A. Stock New York.... I have a writing table with a lock set in the drawer with that exact designation... my understanding is that it is about 1900..any more info on C.A.Stock New York? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings, I ran across your entry while looking for some info on C. A. Stock New York&#8230;. I have a writing table with a lock set in the drawer with that exact designation&#8230; my understanding is that it is about 1900..any more info on C.A.Stock New York? Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an 1870&#039;s ebonized modern gothic nightstand with large glass panels on 3 sides, back-painted with gold leaf and an aesthetic-stylized poppy bloom in varying shades of purple.  Similar panels are found on Furness and Pabst&#039;s furniture including the cabinet at the Met, as well as on buildings including the Centeenial Bank, now the Paul Peck Center at  Drexel U.  Anyway, part of  this unsolved mystery is that the lock is marked &quot;C.A. Stock New York&quot; while the piece looks unlike most New York pieces of the time, but very much like Philadelphia pieces, particularly Pabst&#039;s.   I&#039;m glad to see the post above confirming that jobbers like Shannon stocked hardware made outside of Philadelphia.  If the gentleman with the Shannon catalogue or anyone else out there has run across the hardware manufacturer &quot;C.A. Stock New York,&quot; I&#039;d appreciate the infomation greatly.  If you&#039;re interested in doing a post on the piece, I can supply pictures.

Thanks.

Mario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an 1870&#8242;s ebonized modern gothic nightstand with large glass panels on 3 sides, back-painted with gold leaf and an aesthetic-stylized poppy bloom in varying shades of purple.  Similar panels are found on Furness and Pabst&#8217;s furniture including the cabinet at the Met, as well as on buildings including the Centeenial Bank, now the Paul Peck Center at  Drexel U.  Anyway, part of  this unsolved mystery is that the lock is marked &#8220;C.A. Stock New York&#8221; while the piece looks unlike most New York pieces of the time, but very much like Philadelphia pieces, particularly Pabst&#8217;s.   I&#8217;m glad to see the post above confirming that jobbers like Shannon stocked hardware made outside of Philadelphia.  If the gentleman with the Shannon catalogue or anyone else out there has run across the hardware manufacturer &#8220;C.A. Stock New York,&#8221; I&#8217;d appreciate the infomation greatly.  If you&#8217;re interested in doing a post on the piece, I can supply pictures.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Mario</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding John! Thank you!

I’m asking because I am trying to determine a maker or at least a city for my Aesthetic / Modern gothic lockside chest. I have seen 5 of these so far, mine in walnut, 2 more in walnut on the internet, one was auctioned through Fontaines, one in mahogany in the Swedbergs book “Collectors encyclopedia of American furniture” and one at Shore Antiques in South Jersey. The Shore Antiques example is a lighter wood, perhaps Elm? My lock on the rear lockplate has no markings on it, but the one in Shore Antiques is marked “Farless &amp; Boynton. It looks Philly in style to me and both mine and the shore antiques examples came from houses in south Jersey near Philadelphia. The quality of construction is great and it was offered in at least 3 woods, all 5 have different but good quality brass pulls and all differ in details somewhat. Some, like mine, have a pullout desk as one of the drawers some not, but there are many subtle differences as well. I would think all were more or less made to order in a good cabinet shop. Now were they made in Boston and made their way down to NJ or was the hardware made in Boston and imported to Philly!?
I think using the manufacturer of hardware is an iffy way of determining the origin of a piece of furniture.

Great post John! Victorian detective work is very tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding John! Thank you!</p>
<p>I’m asking because I am trying to determine a maker or at least a city for my Aesthetic / Modern gothic lockside chest. I have seen 5 of these so far, mine in walnut, 2 more in walnut on the internet, one was auctioned through Fontaines, one in mahogany in the Swedbergs book “Collectors encyclopedia of American furniture” and one at Shore Antiques in South Jersey. The Shore Antiques example is a lighter wood, perhaps Elm? My lock on the rear lockplate has no markings on it, but the one in Shore Antiques is marked “Farless &amp; Boynton. It looks Philly in style to me and both mine and the shore antiques examples came from houses in south Jersey near Philadelphia. The quality of construction is great and it was offered in at least 3 woods, all 5 have different but good quality brass pulls and all differ in details somewhat. Some, like mine, have a pullout desk as one of the drawers some not, but there are many subtle differences as well. I would think all were more or less made to order in a good cabinet shop. Now were they made in Boston and made their way down to NJ or was the hardware made in Boston and imported to Philly!?<br />
I think using the manufacturer of hardware is an iffy way of determining the origin of a piece of furniture.</p>
<p>Great post John! Victorian detective work is very tough.</p>
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		<title>By: RareVictorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>RareVictorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeke,

Boston, MA
No. 147 Washington St. and 11 Cornhill
According to the fire commissioner in 1883 they &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=I5UsAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA44&amp;dq=farless+boynton+hardware&amp;ei=bwCmSc24J4PcygSb4dyuCw#PPA45,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had a fire loss&lt;/a&gt;.  Bottom of page 44.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeke,</p>
<p>Boston, MA<br />
No. 147 Washington St. and 11 Cornhill<br />
According to the fire commissioner in 1883 they <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=I5UsAAAAYAAJ&#038;pg=PA44&#038;dq=farless+boynton+hardware&#038;ei=bwCmSc24J4PcygSb4dyuCw#PPA45,M1" rel="nofollow">had a fire loss</a>.  Bottom of page 44.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Stever,

Have you ever heard of a hardware company called &quot;Farless &amp; Boynton&quot;? This company made the lock on a lockside chest and I would love to know anything about them, mostly what city they were in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Stever,</p>
<p>Have you ever heard of a hardware company called &#8220;Farless &amp; Boynton&#8221;? This company made the lock on a lockside chest and I would love to know anything about them, mostly what city they were in.</p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greetings---

alot of good common sense shared in both the article
by john and reply by zeke. shannon hardware company
was located in philadelphia, but how much they actually
manufactured is anyone&#039;s guess. i own a 1888 shannon
catalogue and it includes offerings from sargent &amp; company,
hopkins &amp; dickenson and yale &amp; towne(none of which
are based in philadelphia.) it was very
common for a firm to be a jobber for many companies
as it increased the likelihood of being able to supply
all of the needs required by the home builder and/or
home owner. attributing furniture by maker and/or
location using a hardware &quot;link&quot; only is not advisable.
sure, furniture makers were probably more apt
to buy locally unless a national company could supply cheaper!
many hardware companies also made special goods (ie- corbin hardware designs can be seen on wooton desks) and
many furniture companies put their names on items which
they did not make themselves. i own a mortise lock, rosette
and doorknob which are emblazoned herter brothers, but
the items are much more likely to be made by hopkins and
dickinson(new york) then herter!
good call-  
stever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greetings&#8212;</p>
<p>alot of good common sense shared in both the article<br />
by john and reply by zeke. shannon hardware company<br />
was located in philadelphia, but how much they actually<br />
manufactured is anyone&#8217;s guess. i own a 1888 shannon<br />
catalogue and it includes offerings from sargent &amp; company,<br />
hopkins &amp; dickenson and yale &amp; towne(none of which<br />
are based in philadelphia.) it was very<br />
common for a firm to be a jobber for many companies<br />
as it increased the likelihood of being able to supply<br />
all of the needs required by the home builder and/or<br />
home owner. attributing furniture by maker and/or<br />
location using a hardware &#8220;link&#8221; only is not advisable.<br />
sure, furniture makers were probably more apt<br />
to buy locally unless a national company could supply cheaper!<br />
many hardware companies also made special goods (ie- corbin hardware designs can be seen on wooton desks) and<br />
many furniture companies put their names on items which<br />
they did not make themselves. i own a mortise lock, rosette<br />
and doorknob which are emblazoned herter brothers, but<br />
the items are much more likely to be made by hopkins and<br />
dickinson(new york) then herter!<br />
good call-<br />
stever</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John,

Really nice dresser and the carving looks a lot like Pabst. Allen and Brother also used Shannon hardware, see this Southampton link:

http://www.southamptonantiques.com/lc/lc-1192.html

If you look at the incised leaf carving near the top of the dresser on the side posts, it&#039;s very much like the carving on the Pabst night stand on the cover of &quot;Nineteenth Century Furniture&quot; by arts and antiques. For that matter, the leaves also look a lot like the ones on the Allen lockside. I think we can safely say it&#039;s a Philadelphia piece, if not Pabst or Allen. One would think cabinet makers used local hardware suppliers.

The dresser is also located in Woodstown NJ, which is very close to Philly. I am of the opinion that Philly Furniture, for example, is most commonly found in the Philadelphia area (Boston cabinet makers furniture in Boston area, etc.) This stuff was and still is heavy and hard to move and was more than likely sold to local familys. How much of it remains in old houses to be discovered one can only guess at!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>Really nice dresser and the carving looks a lot like Pabst. Allen and Brother also used Shannon hardware, see this Southampton link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.southamptonantiques.com/lc/lc-1192.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.southamptonantiques.com/lc/lc-1192.html</a></p>
<p>If you look at the incised leaf carving near the top of the dresser on the side posts, it&#8217;s very much like the carving on the Pabst night stand on the cover of &#8220;Nineteenth Century Furniture&#8221; by arts and antiques. For that matter, the leaves also look a lot like the ones on the Allen lockside. I think we can safely say it&#8217;s a Philadelphia piece, if not Pabst or Allen. One would think cabinet makers used local hardware suppliers.</p>
<p>The dresser is also located in Woodstown NJ, which is very close to Philly. I am of the opinion that Philly Furniture, for example, is most commonly found in the Philadelphia area (Boston cabinet makers furniture in Boston area, etc.) This stuff was and still is heavy and hard to move and was more than likely sold to local familys. How much of it remains in old houses to be discovered one can only guess at!</p>
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