Feb 24 2009

“Shannon Phila” Locks = Daniel Pabst?

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6 Responses to ““Shannon Phila” Locks = Daniel Pabst?”

1. # zekeon 24 Feb 2009 at 7:11 pm

   Hey John,

   Really nice dresser and the carving looks a lot like Pabst. Allen and Brother also used Shannon hardware, see this Southampton link:

   http://www.southamptonantiques.com/lc/lc-1192.html

   If you look at the incised leaf carving near the top of the dresser on the side posts, it’s very much like the carving on the Pabst night stand on the cover of “Nineteenth Century Furniture” by arts and antiques. For that matter, the leaves also look a lot like the ones on the Allen lockside. I think we can safely say it’s a Philadelphia piece, if not Pabst or Allen. One would think cabinet makers used local hardware suppliers.

   The dresser is also located in Woodstown NJ, which is very close to Philly. I am of the opinion that Philly Furniture, for example, is most commonly found in the Philadelphia area (Boston cabinet makers furniture in Boston area, etc.) This stuff was and still is heavy and hard to move and was more than likely sold to local familys. How much of it remains in old houses to be discovered one can only guess at!

2. # steveron 25 Feb 2009 at 12:57 am

   greetings—

   alot of good common sense shared in both the article
   by john and reply by zeke. shannon hardware company
   was located in philadelphia, but how much they actually
   manufactured is anyone’s guess. i own a 1888 shannon
   catalogue and it includes offerings from sargent & company,
   hopkins & dickenson and yale & towne(none of which
   are based in philadelphia.) it was very
   common for a firm to be a jobber for many companies
   as it increased the likelihood of being able to supply
   all of the needs required by the home builder and/or
   home owner. attributing furniture by maker and/or
   location using a hardware “link” only is not advisable.
   sure, furniture makers were probably more apt
   to buy locally unless a national company could supply cheaper!
   many hardware companies also made special goods (ie- corbin hardware designs can be seen on wooton desks) and
   many furniture companies put their names on items which
   they did not make themselves. i own a mortise lock, rosette
   and doorknob which are emblazoned herter brothers, but
   the items are much more likely to be made by hopkins and
   dickinson(new york) then herter!
   good call-
   stever

3. # zekeon 25 Feb 2009 at 8:33 pm

   Hey Stever,

   Have you ever heard of a hardware company called “Farless & Boynton”? This company made the lock on a lockside chest and I would love to know anything about them, mostly what city they were in.

4. # RareVictorianon 25 Feb 2009 at 9:38 pm

   Zeke,

   Boston, MA
   No. 147 Washington St. and 11 Cornhill
   According to the fire commissioner in 1883 they had a fire loss. Bottom of page 44.

5. # zekeon 26 Feb 2009 at 10:09 pm

   Outstanding John! Thank you!

   I’m asking because I am trying to determine a maker or at least a city for my Aesthetic / Modern gothic lockside chest. I have seen 5 of these so far, mine in walnut, 2 more in walnut on the internet, one was auctioned through Fontaines, one in mahogany in the Swedbergs book “Collectors encyclopedia of American furniture” and one at Shore Antiques in South Jersey. The Shore Antiques example is a lighter wood, perhaps Elm? My lock on the rear lockplate has no markings on it, but the one in Shore Antiques is marked “Farless & Boynton. It looks Philly in style to me and both mine and the shore antiques examples came from houses in south Jersey near Philadelphia. The quality of construction is great and it was offered in at least 3 woods, all 5 have different but good quality brass pulls and all differ in details somewhat. Some, like mine, have a pullout desk as one of the drawers some not, but there are many subtle differences as well. I would think all were more or less made to order in a good cabinet shop. Now were they made in Boston and made their way down to NJ or was the hardware made in Boston and imported to Philly!?
   I think using the manufacturer of hardware is an iffy way of determining the origin of a piece of furniture.

   Great post John! Victorian detective work is very tough.

6. # Marioon 01 Mar 2009 at 9:19 pm

   I have an 1870’s ebonized modern gothic nightstand with large glass panels on 3 sides, back-painted with gold leaf and an aesthetic-stylized poppy bloom in varying shades of purple. Similar panels are found on Furness and Pabst’s furniture including the cabinet at the Met, as well as on buildings including the Centeenial Bank, now the Paul Peck Center at Drexel U. Anyway, part of this unsolved mystery is that the lock is marked “C.A. Stock New York” while the piece looks unlike most New York pieces of the time, but very much like Philadelphia pieces, particularly Pabst’s. I’m glad to see the post above confirming that jobbers like Shannon stocked hardware made outside of Philadelphia. If the gentleman with the Shannon catalogue or anyone else out there has run across the hardware manufacturer “C.A. Stock New York,” I’d appreciate the infomation greatly. If you’re interested in doing a post on the piece, I can supply pictures.

   Thanks.

   Mario

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