Comments on: For The Record: J. W. Hamburger Prince Of Wales Chair

By: John Jelliff Or J.W. Hamburger? | Rare Victorian

John Jelliff Or J.W. Hamburger? | Rare Victorian — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:40:37 +0000

[...] We have seen J.W. Hamburger execute his catalog images very literally. [...]

By: Chris Zangari

Chris Zangari — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:20:28 +0000

I am just wondering why no one has attributed the posssibility
that Jelliff used these companys as additional outlets to sell
product and alot of times we forget that the items we have
a great appreciation for were still back then product that needed
to be sold to sustain a companys survival and growth.You also
have to consider that maybe some people were not maybe as
likely to buy furniture from an african american and Jelliff needed
these additional outlets for his company because maybe retailers could move product in circumstances where he could not.For a company of his size just like today we need to sell to survive.I currently own 15 items 2 of which are high end parlor tables one being the exact form documented by Newark Museum
which is thoroughly documented.I can tell you personally that the carving in the figures is all well executed and very similar.
Just because these companies claim work as their own does not mean that they actually produced it.Would it not make sense that if there was a good controled profit was available to be made that these items would not be purchased and resold???
I also own a documented bureau by Herter Brothers which is beautiful but there have been branded beds which I think are lackluster when compared to for examples the items which came up for sale recently as shown in Rare Victorian.I think sometimes we get caught up in the greatest items these companies produced and forget that not all of their clients could afford custom one of a kind items out of their shops.Also with Rare Victorians permission I would like to purchase from anyone
documentation,catalogs or any other info that anyone might have on Jelliff items and can be reached at kzangari@comcast.net.
Thanks
Chris Zangari

By: John Hutchinson

John Hutchinson — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:19:02 +0000

In the state of PA, there is no ‘license’ to be an appraiser of furniture, art or APPRAISAL. Therefore, as always, “consumer beware,” of who you speak to and who solicit to advise, in regards to valuation of art and antiques. It would be impossible and improbable that an evaluation of grades and standards be applied to this realm, unlike in baseball cards or motor cars, because ultimately the value, to the consumer, “is in the eye of the beholder.”
“Attributed” is just another adjective. Your friends who watch and read this site, are clearly self educating. Parameters for discourse are only that, which has very little to do with/ or everything to do with, real money.
Keep reading Rare Victorian.
John, RVR

By: james conrad

james conrad — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:33:46 +0000

“Sometimes I wonder if I’m overly sensitive to the attribution thing and I sound like a broken record to my readers.”

No, i dont think so, as a matter of fact it’s a public service to alert readers to a real problem within the industry. There are ways to deal with this, a good first step would be to require all sellers that claim “attributed to” to publish the reasons they are attributing in the sales offering.

By: RareVictorian

RareVictorian — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:05:21 +0000

Sometimes I wonder if I’m overly sensitive to the attribution thing and I sound like a broken record to my readers. I’m reminded of the problem every day when I look at a published furniture books from the 60s or 70s or possibly earlier with Meeks pieces attributed to Belter.

As a matter of fact, this month’s (Feb ’09) Victorian Homes magazine has an obvious problem in it (mis-attribution).

If only we could realistically have an antique certification organization kinda like the baseball card grading organizations.

Having a “certified” antique by a particular maker could greatly add value to the piece and give the buyer piece of mind.

Problem is with card grading, the process is minimally subjective, assuming well-documented standards.

With antiques it would be way more problematic.

By: james conrad

james conrad — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:44:58 +0000

Well, at least it’s priced right.

The real problem with this sort of thing is, if someone uninformed buys the chair thinking it’s Jelliff, then later learns it’s not, they are not likely to ever buy antique furniture again.