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	<title>Comments on: The Dietz Rebuttal &#8211; Jelliff or Schrenkeisen?</title>
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		<title>By: John Werry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulysses, I had stopped by the Newark Museum a few months ago and asked about you but you had apparently left early that day.

Are there any drawings that you/Newark would be comfortable with me sharing on this blog (I&#039;d share them all if I could)?  It seems a shame to leave important stuff like that in a dark vault somewhere.  I&#039;d be happy to contribute scanning labor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulysses, I had stopped by the Newark Museum a few months ago and asked about you but you had apparently left early that day.</p>
<p>Are there any drawings that you/Newark would be comfortable with me sharing on this blog (I&#8217;d share them all if I could)?  It seems a shame to leave important stuff like that in a dark vault somewhere.  I&#8217;d be happy to contribute scanning labor!</p>
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		<title>By: Ulysses Dietz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulysses Dietz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, this is all so far in the past now, I&#039;m not sure I really remember. But I did spend a day in the Winterthur library studying the Schrenkeisen catalogue photographs, and my very clear recollection is that most of the Shrenkeisen stuff is &quot;C&quot; level, and nothing I have ever seen in person by Jelliff drops below a &quot;B&quot; in quality (at least from their higher end goods).  The Jelliff family armchair in &quot;Century of Revivals&quot; is, (again this is my opinion, my &quot;eye&quot;) far and away finer than anything Schrenkeisen published in that one surviving catalogue--but I guess photos don&#039;t do it justice.  There&#039;s marquetry on the front and on the stiles, and the carving is top notch.   I have seen several well known period images of furniture with caryatid armrests (Phoenix for one) and there is no comparison in the quality of the carving (my eye again, take it or leave it). 

All of the evidence for Jelliff, with a couple of exceptions in signed and dated pieces from earlier in his career, is family hearsay and tradition based in Newark&#039;s own collection. NO other evidence exists. All theorizing that doesn&#039;t start in our files is whistling in the dark.

My theory as to Jelliff wholesaling through Schrenkeisen is only based on that one set, and perhaps Jelliff (if he did this) never did it again for exactly that low-profit-margin reason.  It seems pretty clear that Jelliff did not sell under his own name anywhere outside of Newark, and indeed &quot;New York&quot; furniture would have had an appeal across the nation, whereas Newark furniture would have meant nothing.   We have suggestive evidence that Jelliff &amp; Co. was in fact retailing Mitchell and Rammelsberg furniture from Cincinnati in his Newark store; although actual trade practices among furniture makers has not yet been studied sufficiently. 

My major complaint in all of the &quot;controversy&quot; is that my very dear friend Anna, and my much admired colleague Charles Venable, then at Dallas, never once came and studied the documents we have in our archives related to Jelliff.  We have over 100 drawings done by Jelliff himself, most of which have never been seen or published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, this is all so far in the past now, I&#8217;m not sure I really remember. But I did spend a day in the Winterthur library studying the Schrenkeisen catalogue photographs, and my very clear recollection is that most of the Shrenkeisen stuff is &#8220;C&#8221; level, and nothing I have ever seen in person by Jelliff drops below a &#8220;B&#8221; in quality (at least from their higher end goods).  The Jelliff family armchair in &#8220;Century of Revivals&#8221; is, (again this is my opinion, my &#8220;eye&#8221;) far and away finer than anything Schrenkeisen published in that one surviving catalogue&#8211;but I guess photos don&#8217;t do it justice.  There&#8217;s marquetry on the front and on the stiles, and the carving is top notch.   I have seen several well known period images of furniture with caryatid armrests (Phoenix for one) and there is no comparison in the quality of the carving (my eye again, take it or leave it). </p>
<p>All of the evidence for Jelliff, with a couple of exceptions in signed and dated pieces from earlier in his career, is family hearsay and tradition based in Newark&#8217;s own collection. NO other evidence exists. All theorizing that doesn&#8217;t start in our files is whistling in the dark.</p>
<p>My theory as to Jelliff wholesaling through Schrenkeisen is only based on that one set, and perhaps Jelliff (if he did this) never did it again for exactly that low-profit-margin reason.  It seems pretty clear that Jelliff did not sell under his own name anywhere outside of Newark, and indeed &#8220;New York&#8221; furniture would have had an appeal across the nation, whereas Newark furniture would have meant nothing.   We have suggestive evidence that Jelliff &amp; Co. was in fact retailing Mitchell and Rammelsberg furniture from Cincinnati in his Newark store; although actual trade practices among furniture makers has not yet been studied sufficiently. </p>
<p>My major complaint in all of the &#8220;controversy&#8221; is that my very dear friend Anna, and my much admired colleague Charles Venable, then at Dallas, never once came and studied the documents we have in our archives related to Jelliff.  We have over 100 drawings done by Jelliff himself, most of which have never been seen or published.</p>
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